Updated: Jul 7
Our podcast discussion with Jaymin Patel highlights the need for Transformational Life Coaches both in and out of the office to bring peace, health and security to our organizations.
We are constantly bombarded in our lives with tasks, responsibilities, as well as personal and business demands. How can we make it all work? How can top executives in InfoSec and the corporate world at large adapt to our continuously evolving environment of business? WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE, according to Jaymin Patel.
Jaymin began his journey, after a hugely successful consulting career. In addition to being a (TEDx) speaker who has delivered 500+ paid talks and being an author of 8 books, he has been a highly sought-after, heart-driven, no-fluff, intuitive coach who has been hired by professional leaders in the spiritual & transformational communities as well as top leaders of corporations around the world like Kraft, Unilever, and Citibank.
Our conversation with Jaymin uncovered gems of emotional mastery and established that, in order for us to advance as a society, we need the right people to get us through it.
Key Insights from Our Jaymin Patel Interview:
Business Leaders are not Immune to Personal Life Challenges
It is common sense, but we take for granted all of the turmoil and strife in our personal lives. Many of us turn inward and into our work, neglecting our personal relationships. Regardless of how much we work, our personal life still has dramatic effects on our business life.
"People forget their power of choice and lead into these high stress situations that ultimately lead to burnout. Along the way, the issue isn’t the burnout. They’re making simple mistakes, getting lost in creativity and not being able to see the bigger picture," says Jaymin.
"No-Tech Moments": A Manager's Inner Peace Means Organizational Peace
Jaymin says "no tech moments" help stop burnout and improve peace in our lives. We should get away from the noise. Jaymin utilizes "no tech moments" himself to maintain top performance. By being present, taking time to get away from distractions, and tuning in to our emotions, feelings and body senses, we bring a new level of clarity to our workplace, dramatically improving our personal and business relationships.
"There needs to be a 'groundedness' and emotional mastery, but NOT emotional management, that’s the wrong way of doing it."
Life Coaches Offer Huge Bottom-Line Value to Organizations
“To me, personal growth has been one of the biggest investments I've made in my life.”
Jaymin has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars investing in personal development. As we all know, we invest in degrees, buy business books, etc., but we rarely ever spend a dollar on improving ourselves. Improving ourselves offers a clear bottom-line boost for organizations, because everyone benefits from these learning opportunities.
Listen to Our Conversation with Jaymin Here:
To learn more about Jaymin Patel, go to Jaymin Patel - Everything is Possible (jayminjpatel.com)
Full transcript Q/A with Steve Cullen and Jaymin Patel below:
Steve: Hello World, my name is Steve Cullen, and I am your host of my new podcast – Starting to Feel.
Today, let’s talk about the people of tech, the women, men, the non-binary people, alike, in the trenches leading our companies and transforming how we work and operate in business on a daily.
Our focus today is looking at how top executives, especially in IT, are expected to be Super-Human. When, in actuality, they are just normal people vulnerable to life, the work environment, and all that comes with it. It’s not an easy place to be, being at the top. Even more, executives are on the chopping block if they don’t perform—that’s how our work environment has evolved. Our guest today, knows all about this and more.
Top Tech, IT and Cyber Security C-level directors and Managers, alike, are put into these roles which often challenge their bodies, minds, emotions, relationships, and even their ideas of reality. According to a recent Proofpoint report (https://www.proofpoint.com/us) on the role of Chief Information Security Officers it was found that over half of CISOs were more worried about cyberattack to their organization in 2021 than in the year previous. Furthermore, CISOs are now being listened to by the Board and Top Management, which is a positive development, but it comes with strings attached, being on the top. The Coalfire State of CISO Report 2021 (https://www.coalfire.com/insights/resources/reports/the-state-of-ciso-influence) has uncovered that the role of the CISO is now changing and getting increased recognition, resources, as well as, added accountability. This inevitably means more responsibility and stress in these roles. That in turns leads to more stress at home, in life, wherever.
From my discussions with CISOs and IT Execs, it’s like a revolving door for talent leaving and coming, which takes a toll on everyone, from training, time sunk, and onboarding difficulties. It can feel like they’re spinning their wheels with limited supply in the talent pool.
With that background understanding of Execs in IT, I thought it would be poignant to bring someone who can talk to the effects on our wellbeing, mental health, emotional states, and finding ways to deal with the current reality our top people face in this evolving world we live in.
I would like to introduce Jaymin Patel, one of those shining star individuals who I have had the great fortune to connect with over the last two years. Jaymin is a Growth Coach & Soul Mentor for High-Achievers. He has recently launched a global movement called Fully Lived to empower high-performer’s true potential, and unlocking paragons of possibility.
Jaymin and I call each other brother...hey, my brother! We have had a strong and devoted relationship around our self-evolution, with major changes in my life from moving to raising a small boy in uncertain times separation/divorce. Before we begin, I want to give a brief snapshot of Jaymin and my experience with him. Jaymin began his journey, after a hugely successful consulting career, In addition to being a (TEDx) speaker who has delivered 500+ paid talks and being an author of 8 books, he has been a highly sought-after, heart-driven, no-fluff, intuitive coach who has been hired by professional leaders in the spiritual & transformational communities as well as top leaders of corporations around the world like Kraft, Unilever, and Citibank. This came only while finding his way to happiness through an unrelenting campaign of inner work, tearing down the walls of life-long traumas, and turning it into a tool to share with the world.
In my actual experience, Jaymin has reached in my soul and found diamonds I never knew were there. I literally spoke to my future self in one of our sessions and in another, I found a sea creature on my back – long story—but it was about my own integrity. As professionals, we need people in our lives who can allow us to be vulnerable, exposed, and hold us to account. And Jaymin is one of those people.
So, I’ll turn it over to Jaymin Patel. Jaymin, could you do us the honor and respond to the weight of that introduction and how life in general and the changing world is affecting us as high-performing executives?
Jaymin: The world is going to be constantly changing
One key thing missing is as it’s gets more complex and faster, the most important thing needed is the opposite. No tech moments. As we move into a more high-tech world, we need to have these no tech moments to actually allow ourselves to get a break from all the noise and not to get to that point of burnout, but to actually specifically schedule in time for ourselves where we can be in no tech.
Secondly, aspect of complexity can be viewed as more or less, but it is quite relative. Everyone deals with threats in their day to day work. Don’t have it be an excuse for a higher level of stress. There will always be stress. Accept it will always be there, and move through it naturally.
Steve: Tech execs are now being listened to after two years of exploits, data breaches, and very public and concerning trends, resulting in trillions spent by the global industry, exponential growth of threat actors incentivized by ransomware payouts, the Ukraine crisis...how do we make sense of this?
Jaymin: The nature of our lives is that there are threats...
There needs to be a “groundedness” and emotional mastery, but NOT emotional management, that’s the wrong way of doing it. You need to have certain skillsets to become an emotional leader, which will make you more powerful and impactful to lead your organization through all these crises. We can get through this! Our grandparents lived through a World War, humanity has gone through the bubonic plague, Genghis Khan conquering the world, this is just a different form of what’s always existed, and we have persevered. This is just a different flavor of what has always been.
Steve: Tell us about ways in which high stress jobs affect us as people, members of society, and families.
Jaymin: I have been in a high stress job for many years, 90-100 hour weeks easily, if not more than that...
The current work environment has normalized all of this. For the individual, we don’t set off thinking we’re going to be working that much, but before we know it, we’re spending an extra hour, then getting the laptop after dinner, then working on the weekends...how do we set boundaries? People forget their power of choice and lead into these high stress situations that ultimately lead to burnout. Along the way, the issue isn’t the burnout. They’re making simple mistakes, getting lost in creativity and not being able to see the bigger picture. The notion of working more or harder is going to solve the situation is “like putting wood into a fire.” You’re going to keep adding more and more wood until the whole forest is burned. Understand the nature of the fire and contain it that allows you longevity. You can accomplish the same goals without having to do all the overworking, but people have never learned that. They go, “That’s an option?!”
Steve: Being an owner of a company and CEO myself, I struggle with balancing my life, work, and responsibilities. Having life coaches have helped me get through some really challenging times. What are the benefits of a personal life coach? Is it "girly" or "feminine" to open up to these people?
Jaymin: Most of the ideas that we have of what a man's man is, is from a really outdated mindset...
Anyone who feels that way that “opening up is girly/feminine”, I ask you to just “understand it’s a choice you get to make of what kind of man you want to be.”
This work is about growth. It’s about freedom, choice. If they sound interesting and exciting, and the potentiality of still being the rockstar that you are and still being the leader that you are, but having choice around when and how you work and experience love/joy/recreation/fun/etc, that is what a life coach can provide because they can give you a different perspective and see you in your higher self/hold you accountable and let you see things that you didn’t know existed.
Steve: How has your own personal growth influenced your business career?
Jaymin: To me, personal growth has been one of the biggest investments I've made in my life...
If I see something that resonates, whether it be the four coaches I had, going to retreats, I want to pay that person to teach me what they have because I can’t go out there and learn everything. Now I stand here having absorbed all that, which allows me to be an extremely effective coach to find my own superpower and share it with the world. I have a vision of where this could go because I’ve done all that work that allows me this freedom.
Steve: What is your Uptonian view on men, women, and our society and how can we manage our lives in a post-COVID, cyber risk powder-kegged, human existence?
Jaymin: Create choice in your life...
If you’re gonna be held into the fear of everything that’s going on, if you forget to come out the other side, then there’s really no hope for humanity. We’re going to come out on the other side, there’s nothing we can’t get through. If we box ourselves in, there’s no choice. Most people will choose to live in the fear of what’s going on in the external world, than to face their own internal greatness. It’s a natural fact of human life, and we only have one. If more people step into possibility, the more of a ripple effect of permission will go on around the world which will bring more people into seeing what’s possible. If that happens, the world will shift.
Steve: What's the most important thing that tech executives should know...like the tidbit they should take away and never forget about our talk today?
Jaymin: The number one mistake I see people making is thinking that "more" will fix it. More time, more work, more resources, is going to fix the thing. It's not...
Think of it as the fire that it is. You need to do something different. I find that powerful, but unsatiated leaders come to me when they need to feel more turned on about life. I help people identify where they feel they might be playing small and silently accepting that they’re playing small and lead them to a life that’s more fulfilling. For those who want that kind of experience, it begins by re-owning this aspect of, “I get to make a choice, always.” The single biggest choice everyone needs to make is pattern vs practice. We all have these various patterns fed to us by childhood, society, media, etc. and we’re all in these patterns. When they’re followed, we get the same results. If you’re totally happy with your result right now, I celebrate you. If there’s a part of you that wants more, but don’t know what it is, then the choice is to open up into practices. They will open you up into more conscious choices. If you can choose to come into a practice instead of following a pattern, that’s when life begins to completely take on a new momentum. It allows them to be a leader, but also enjoy the lifestyle they want in connection to it.